Perhaps the most notable portion of that convention was a rousing speech by Charles Pinckney, who had also served as a delegate to the Constitutional Convention.
They would most definitely be horrified and angry. I don’t think they would just sit by and let it happen. We have strayed too far from this important tenet. I hope we are not at the point of no return. How sad if we were to lose our free Republic the United States of America because we lost sight of the original intent of the foundation of this nation and appreciation for it. Terrible that a few tyrants can be successful at deceiving so many. It’s vital we return to the principles that made America great for so long. Hopefully it’s not too late.
With the passage of the 17th amendment federalism took a huge hit. States were no longer represented in the Senate like they were before. I believe this was the beginning of the end of federalism as was envisioned by the founders.
Originally the state legislatures selected Senators thereby giving the states a voice in the federal government. With popular election of Senators the states no longer had as much say in the national debate of issues.
Before the 17th amendment the state legislatures appointed US senators. The 17th made this position a popularly elected office. It nailed shut the coffin on states' rights. This happened in 1913.
A properly governed State has the ability to govern their State according to the will of the people. The federal government has used the pocket book and the courts to woo the states as an incentive into a dependence on them and their myriad of federal agencies just as they have done to the fabric of our citizenry that has fallen fast asleep.
Not a popular opinion perhaps, because the moral evil of slavery was too great to ignore, but the death of the original United States happened when the federal government used force to prevent the Southern states from leaving the Union. The very idea that Republican (form of government) States had no say so in their own destiny obliterates the original concept and design of our nation.
The final nails were placed in the coffin with the 17th Amendment, direct income taxation, and the New Deal. Most state officials don't even understand the system that existed previously.
Thank you Tara. Charles Pickney was mostly correct that the States had plenty of power to keep the Federal government in check. However, time, Constitutional Amendments, power hungry Federal elected officials, the deep state and as you say Tara, lazy State governments have handed much authority meant for the States, to the Federal government. We have ourselves to blame also, as we've lately become a citizenry dependent upon the Federal government.
I know that it sounds too simplistic and it may be, however, I believe that a simple inclusion into the Constitution could have forestalled much of our current state of affairs and that inclusion would have been, term limits on our Senators and Representatives. Keeping greedy people from becoming career leeches. Thank you Tara.
Right Of course. That’s one of the biggest reasons. We are electing the same pick picketers. We have to change our votes as don’t think term limits are on the menu nds of our current legislators.
The southern states are abridging women's health rights, just as they did to enslaved in the past. The federal government needs to step in to protect all.
The beauty of the Federal System is the ability to reside in any of the 50 States. If the Congress wants to set a national standard for women's health rights (abortion) they can at any time. Many times since Roe v. Wade, Democrats have held super-majorities and the Presidency and could have set a national standard. They did not. We, unfortunately have politicians who pander to constituencies and not statesmen who are willing to take on such challenges. This complex issue demands a careful national debate. I do not agree with your comparison to slavery. Pregnancy is a choice, slavery was not.
Pew, hardly at right leaning source spells out the numbers fairly well. Roughly 1% of abortions are due to rape and less than 0.5% due to incest of some 930,160 US abortions in 2020. (about 14,000) This mercifully is much lower than the 1.7 million abortions of the 1990 peak, a number that exceeds the Nazi Holocaust in it's height of 1942-43 of about 1.4 million victims. Certainly not an insignificant number but tiny in comparison to the total. I can't find the source but I believe it said roughly 60% of rape victims who become pregnant choose to carry the pregnancy to term.
The original comment is an example of the mentality of the left when legislative authority is returned to the states. Even RBG thought Roe v. Wade was enacted on convoluted reasoning.
The right to choose was a settled point of law, as affirmed by all of the justices in their hearings before congress. (They lied as to their intentions.) There seemed no need to put it into legislation.
I see this as a valuable history lesson and have no problem with it versus the usual, Tara! Thanks! If only the states would assume their responsibilities and if the federal government would stick to what it is supposed to be doing... The feds have gotten out of control!
They would most definitely be horrified and angry. I don’t think they would just sit by and let it happen. We have strayed too far from this important tenet. I hope we are not at the point of no return. How sad if we were to lose our free Republic the United States of America because we lost sight of the original intent of the foundation of this nation and appreciation for it. Terrible that a few tyrants can be successful at deceiving so many. It’s vital we return to the principles that made America great for so long. Hopefully it’s not too late.
With the passage of the 17th amendment federalism took a huge hit. States were no longer represented in the Senate like they were before. I believe this was the beginning of the end of federalism as was envisioned by the founders.
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Originally the state legislatures selected Senators thereby giving the states a voice in the federal government. With popular election of Senators the states no longer had as much say in the national debate of issues.
Exactly! The founders intended for the HofR to be peoples house and the senate to be the States house.
As of today you are right. Thanks for your knowledgeable comments.
Before the 17th amendment the state legislatures appointed US senators. The 17th made this position a popularly elected office. It nailed shut the coffin on states' rights. This happened in 1913.
A properly governed State has the ability to govern their State according to the will of the people. The federal government has used the pocket book and the courts to woo the states as an incentive into a dependence on them and their myriad of federal agencies just as they have done to the fabric of our citizenry that has fallen fast asleep.
Horrifying to think how this country transitioned from States rights being the most important to the Federal government dominance.
What would our nation’s Founders think?
I believe they would be extremely disappointed in the direction the “Leaders” of our nation have taken over the past 70 years or so!
Our nation and States must get back to Constitutional government based upon Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness!
Thank you Tara!!
I regret that my ancestor’s contribution as a “signer” and member of the continental congress, Dr Benjamin Rush” has been so eroded.
Not a popular opinion perhaps, because the moral evil of slavery was too great to ignore, but the death of the original United States happened when the federal government used force to prevent the Southern states from leaving the Union. The very idea that Republican (form of government) States had no say so in their own destiny obliterates the original concept and design of our nation.
The final nails were placed in the coffin with the 17th Amendment, direct income taxation, and the New Deal. Most state officials don't even understand the system that existed previously.
Thank you Tara. Charles Pickney was mostly correct that the States had plenty of power to keep the Federal government in check. However, time, Constitutional Amendments, power hungry Federal elected officials, the deep state and as you say Tara, lazy State governments have handed much authority meant for the States, to the Federal government. We have ourselves to blame also, as we've lately become a citizenry dependent upon the Federal government.
I know that it sounds too simplistic and it may be, however, I believe that a simple inclusion into the Constitution could have forestalled much of our current state of affairs and that inclusion would have been, term limits on our Senators and Representatives. Keeping greedy people from becoming career leeches. Thank you Tara.
Right Of course. That’s one of the biggest reasons. We are electing the same pick picketers. We have to change our votes as don’t think term limits are on the menu nds of our current legislators.
The southern states are abridging women's health rights, just as they did to enslaved in the past. The federal government needs to step in to protect all.
The beauty of the Federal System is the ability to reside in any of the 50 States. If the Congress wants to set a national standard for women's health rights (abortion) they can at any time. Many times since Roe v. Wade, Democrats have held super-majorities and the Presidency and could have set a national standard. They did not. We, unfortunately have politicians who pander to constituencies and not statesmen who are willing to take on such challenges. This complex issue demands a careful national debate. I do not agree with your comparison to slavery. Pregnancy is a choice, slavery was not.
Tell that to victims of incest and rape .
Or the murdered babies.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/01/11/what-the-data-says-about-abortion-in-the-u-s-2/
Pew, hardly at right leaning source spells out the numbers fairly well. Roughly 1% of abortions are due to rape and less than 0.5% due to incest of some 930,160 US abortions in 2020. (about 14,000) This mercifully is much lower than the 1.7 million abortions of the 1990 peak, a number that exceeds the Nazi Holocaust in it's height of 1942-43 of about 1.4 million victims. Certainly not an insignificant number but tiny in comparison to the total. I can't find the source but I believe it said roughly 60% of rape victims who become pregnant choose to carry the pregnancy to term.
The original comment is an example of the mentality of the left when legislative authority is returned to the states. Even RBG thought Roe v. Wade was enacted on convoluted reasoning.
The right to choose was a settled point of law, as affirmed by all of the justices in their hearings before congress. (They lied as to their intentions.) There seemed no need to put it into legislation.
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An intelligent man, so he was.
Thank you, Tara.
I see this as a valuable history lesson and have no problem with it versus the usual, Tara! Thanks! If only the states would assume their responsibilities and if the federal government would stick to what it is supposed to be doing... The feds have gotten out of control!
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I guess if the comment doesn't fit your mindset, it gets deleted.